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Poster: gsgrateful Date: Dec 9, 2011 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: new potato..

so im kinda checking in here from madison, wis to say hello in all this dead air these days. Couple things: far as i know no one has identified the classical piece that phil drops in as a solo - i mean first time i heard i remember distinctly knowing what the next notes were gonna be.
Also i wanted to say thanx for this site: i was late in coming to puters, and then just figuring stuff out on my own was difficult. but what a ride!! back in 82-88 i so enjoyed the shows at alpine, etc but these days, after a couple years here, im basically happy listening to 68-77, i keep all the shows fresh to me by not worrying too much about ratings, best versions, etc.
Thanx for the 30 daze of dead this year, i dutifully downloaded every day. The stuff sounds great and its something new to me. anybody ever comes thru madison i'd love to meet up. So its really weird times these days and i just hope some folks remember what it was like and smile again.
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Poster: serious the dog Date: Dec 9, 2011 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

Hey, gsgrateful, I remember, and hold those moments close, and no matter how weird the times get, never let 'em go, and that smile's always near to my face for the recalling. There's lots of great music out there still to hear and great times yet to be had and the Tribe's never been bigger or stranger. Dust off yer paper canoe and row, Jimmy, row!

This post was modified by serious the dog on 2011-12-10 01:52:40

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 9, 2011 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

I've also asked what that classical piece was, since it was also familiar to me the first time I heard New Potato, and other people have had the same reaction & asked before too, as mentioned here -
http://www.archive.org/post/384414/influence-of-classical-music-on-the-gd
But, unbelievably, it has never been identified!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Dec 10, 2011 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

If we're talking the 13-beat (sometimes 12-beat) jam right after Phil's solo, I think it's never been discovered because it's not a classical theme. I listen to more classical music than GD actually, and it doesn't even faintly remind me of something I've heard. It sounds to me like Phil riffing. Maybe the un-bluesy quality owes something to his classical background, but I don't think he's quoting anything.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Dec 11, 2011 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

I've read the following regarding the 12/7/68 version, but I so very ignorantly don't even know if I've ever heard the "Minute Waltz." I don't know much else about the evolution of the song and the changes it went through in structure and such, not anymore than the next guy, anyway. I do know the song rules.


"The Phil bass solo in New Potato Caboose contains a jam based on Frederick Chopin's piece 'Opus #64', also known as 'The Minute Waltz'."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 11, 2011 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

Interesting responses...
It's a weird situation: some people (like me) when they hear this bass solo, go "I know I heard that before!" And other people who do listen to a lot of classical say "nope, never heard it."
It's not even close to the Minute Waltz; that was someone's bad guess! I didn't think it was that much like Chopsticks either.
It's possible we're barking up the wrong tree and it was music from some cartoon or TV show... After all, didn't Phil nab "Stronger than Dirt" from an Ajax commercial?

According to an interesting note on this lyrics site -
http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/intro.htm
Hank Harrison wrote in his "Dead Book" that Stronger than Dirt "was an allusion to an Ajax scouring powder commercial of the day. Phil has mentioned that he often heard classical riffs in commercials and this is probably one of them."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

That's funny. The bass riff does sound like it, kinda. So does Help on the Way, actually. (Help on the Way! Ajax! It's Stronger than Dirt!)

Ajax commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZK5VkQes4

The riff is pretty clear around 2:07 (of King Solomon's Marbles):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-09-28.mtx.seamons.102155.sbeok.flac16


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Poster: capsgd Date: Dec 11, 2011 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

I think there may also be a Doors song ending
that has that dun dun du du

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 12, 2011 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

"Touch Me" is the song.

I love the Doors, but that song is one of their least notable imo, despite it being one of their biggest hit songs. Jim despised singing that song, and I really don't blame him. The songs that Jim wrote were poetic and beautiful. Touch Me was Krieger's cheesy attempt at a hit single.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbeep* Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

There does seem to be a genetic resemblance.
Good grief! GD songs based on (gasp!) jingles!
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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

If you're a musician and inclined to improvise, I'd guess things just pop into your head from wherever. And unlike so many other musicians, they've been pretty frank about grabbing riffs or ideas from all kinds of sources. Phil always said Passenger was just a version of that Fleetwood Mac song. There seem to be lots of quotes where someone will say, "Yeah, it's basically just a version of (fill in the blank)." No once can ever accuse the Dead of plagiarism, cuz they've always accused themselves first! With this one, I'm guessing the name is an in-joke reference to the Ajax jingle -- whether it was knowingly sticking in the riff or joking that it sounded like it or some combination thereof. Now, as for the source of "Milking the Turkey" ...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 10, 2011 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

I went back and listened to it . I can't place it, but if I was to hazard a guess , I think it might be him quoting or riffing on a spanish/mexican theme , classical or folk melody . I mean you want to break out the castanets ! This might sound ridiculous, but I wonder if Phil himself would respond ? If the question could somehow get to him, I sure he would try to answer it .

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Poster: billydlions Date: Dec 10, 2011 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

I always thought it was a variation of Chopsticks. Isn't that the obvious answer?